1 00:00:07,010 --> 00:00:03,889 hey guys Ryan here I'm happy to announce 2 00:00:09,770 --> 00:00:07,020 that we are now on Apple premium if you 3 00:00:12,350 --> 00:00:09,780 want early access to the main show and 4 00:00:15,289 --> 00:00:12,360 want bonus episodes now you can do it 5 00:00:17,570 --> 00:00:15,299 right in your Apple podcasts app I'll be 6 00:00:20,570 --> 00:00:17,580 uploading dozens of previous bonus 7 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:20,580 episodes in the coming weeks as well so 8 00:00:24,529 --> 00:00:22,680 if you're an apple podcast subscriber 9 00:00:26,810 --> 00:00:24,539 and you've thought about supporting the 10 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:26,820 show without leaving the app I hope 11 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:28,380 you'll consider becoming an apple 12 00:00:33,770 --> 00:00:31,560 premium subscriber today to join just 13 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:33,780 click the premium button at the top of 14 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:35,280 the somewhere in the skies Apple podcast 15 00:00:41,270 --> 00:00:39,360 feed and here is a free bonus episode to 16 00:00:44,030 --> 00:00:41,280 give you a taste of what to expect with 17 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:44,040 your premium subscription this is the 18 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:46,620 story of the denchmont woods UFO 19 00:00:52,430 --> 00:00:49,440 encounter where a UFO case became part 20 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:52,440 of a criminal investigation I hope you 21 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:54,239 enjoy and I hope you'll consider 22 00:00:59,450 --> 00:00:56,399 becoming an apple premium subscriber 23 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:59,460 today greetings you have been granted 24 00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:01,379 Pop Secret access to the fall following 25 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:03,300 content it is for your ears and eyes 26 00:01:15,289 --> 00:01:07,200 only thank you for your cooperation 27 00:01:19,250 --> 00:01:15,299 [Music] 28 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:19,260 in 1979 in the denchmont woods area near 29 00:01:24,230 --> 00:01:22,259 Livingston Scotland Robert Taylor would 30 00:01:25,789 --> 00:01:24,240 claim to have encountered beings from 31 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:25,799 another world 32 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:28,140 and it would be the only case in all of 33 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:31,320 Scotland where a UFO would become part 34 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:35,340 of a criminal investigation this is the 35 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:38,100 dutchmont woods Encounter of Robert 36 00:01:44,810 --> 00:01:39,370 Taylor 37 00:01:48,109 --> 00:01:44,820 [Music] 38 00:01:50,450 --> 00:01:48,119 on the morning of November 9th 1979 39 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:50,460 Robert Taylor decided to pull his 40 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,920 vehicle to the side of the road so he 41 00:01:57,469 --> 00:01:55,200 could stretch his legs and allow his dog 42 00:02:01,130 --> 00:01:57,479 to do the same this would take place 43 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:01,140 near the M8 Motorway it was around 10 30 44 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:03,000 a.m as he was walking through the 45 00:02:07,730 --> 00:02:04,680 Woodland with the seven-year-old red 46 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:07,740 setter Lara it was as he was coming up 47 00:02:13,309 --> 00:02:10,080 on a clearing among the fir trees the 48 00:02:15,650 --> 00:02:13,319 Taylor's morning and indeed his life was 49 00:02:18,350 --> 00:02:15,660 about to take a drastic turn 50 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:18,360 there in front of him no further than 12 51 00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:22,440 yards away was a flying Dome or circular 52 00:02:27,290 --> 00:02:25,020 object that was suddenly in his line of 53 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:27,300 sight it appeared to be floating 54 00:02:32,089 --> 00:02:30,480 slightly above the tops of the trees the 55 00:02:33,949 --> 00:02:32,099 craft was close enough that he could 56 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:33,959 make out the rough sandpaper-like 57 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:36,660 texture of the Black Metallic material 58 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:40,260 in Aroma of burning breaks suddenly 59 00:02:44,869 --> 00:02:43,080 seemed to fill the air he noticed two 60 00:02:46,670 --> 00:02:44,879 objects that had fallen to the ground 61 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:46,680 from the main craft 62 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:48,840 Taylor would later describe these as 63 00:02:52,309 --> 00:02:51,360 looking like second world war Naval 64 00:02:55,130 --> 00:02:52,319 mines 65 00:02:56,449 --> 00:02:55,140 each of the strange objects had Spikes 66 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:56,459 all over them 67 00:03:01,970 --> 00:02:59,400 they headed toward him one to each side 68 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:01,980 making a strange noise against the 69 00:03:05,869 --> 00:03:03,840 ground as they moved 70 00:03:08,869 --> 00:03:05,879 when they were level with him in 71 00:03:11,449 --> 00:03:08,879 attachment with a spike on the end shot 72 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:11,459 out of each one and attached themselves 73 00:03:17,869 --> 00:03:15,599 to each leg of Taylor's trousers of more 74 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:17,879 concern to Taylor he would feel a 75 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:20,700 pulling sensation on his body as if the 76 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:23,400 craft was dragging him towards it he 77 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:26,519 began to panic and pull back from it but 78 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:29,459 his body didn't respond as this was 79 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:32,640 happening a rotten choking smell filled 80 00:03:38,089 --> 00:03:35,040 his nostrils immediately weakening his 81 00:03:40,130 --> 00:03:38,099 resistance to the pole as he gagged on 82 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:40,140 whatever this Aroma was 83 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:43,200 as he began to lose Consciousness the 84 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:45,900 last sounds he heard was the unsettling 85 00:03:52,869 --> 00:03:48,840 hissing of the object and the agitated 86 00:03:55,970 --> 00:03:52,879 barks of his dog Lara it was a huge 87 00:04:00,070 --> 00:03:55,980 thing with a big Crown Dome 88 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:00,080 a very dark gray color 89 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:04,620 a big flange going all the way around I 90 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:06,599 could see Adam's 91 00:04:11,149 --> 00:04:09,480 sticking out to this flange with what I 92 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:11,159 took to be bleeds 93 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:15,720 on the toe as I stood here there's the 94 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:18,359 two balls came out two boys I think 95 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:20,940 there'd be about three feet in diameter 96 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:24,360 with about six spikes and they were 97 00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:26,400 brawling on these fakes they came right 98 00:04:29,930 --> 00:04:28,020 up beside me 99 00:04:33,129 --> 00:04:29,940 and 100 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:33,139 I remember feeling a tug at that time 101 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:37,380 and a very powerful smell a choking sort 102 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:39,660 of smell and 103 00:04:44,210 --> 00:04:41,340 [\h__\h] 104 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:44,220 that was it the next thing Taylor knew 105 00:04:49,249 --> 00:04:47,400 he was alone on the clearing floor the 106 00:04:51,409 --> 00:04:49,259 object had vanished 107 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:51,419 as he picked up his face from the dirt 108 00:04:57,650 --> 00:04:54,180 and leaves of the forest floor he 109 00:04:59,150 --> 00:04:57,660 noticed how severely his legs ached he 110 00:05:02,030 --> 00:04:59,160 also realized he couldn't bring himself 111 00:05:04,189 --> 00:05:02,040 to speak in an attempt to calm Lara who 112 00:05:07,070 --> 00:05:04,199 was still barking somewhere in the 113 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:07,080 immediate vicinity after Gathering his 114 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:09,060 thoughts Taylor Made his way to his 115 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:12,000 vehicle although sometime it passed it 116 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:14,699 stood in the spot he'd left it at it was 117 00:05:20,749 --> 00:05:18,000 a short Joy however try as he might the 118 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:20,759 car would no longer start as if drained 119 00:05:25,850 --> 00:05:23,400 of Power by an unknown source 120 00:05:27,170 --> 00:05:25,860 Taylor would continue his journey on 121 00:05:29,870 --> 00:05:27,180 foot 122 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:29,880 when he arrived home his family was 123 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:33,300 aghast at his torn clothing as well as 124 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:35,820 the cuts and bruising to his face and 125 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:38,460 arms he would inform his wife Mary 126 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:42,000 bluntly that he had been attacked by a 127 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:45,180 spaceship unsure of what to do Mary 128 00:05:50,629 --> 00:05:47,699 informed her husband's employer and boss 129 00:05:52,969 --> 00:05:50,639 of the incident it looked terrible when 130 00:05:55,129 --> 00:05:52,979 he came in the door and he just stood at 131 00:05:58,010 --> 00:05:55,139 the door and I said have you had an 132 00:06:01,850 --> 00:05:58,020 accident with your Lorry and he said no 133 00:06:05,150 --> 00:06:01,860 I've been attacked and I said what with 134 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:05,160 and he said spaceship and I said oh 135 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:07,320 goodness me there's no such a thing as a 136 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:10,440 spaceship I'm going to phone the doctor 137 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:12,600 you must have failed and hurt your head 138 00:06:18,529 --> 00:06:15,780 it looked quite shocked Andy he was 139 00:06:22,129 --> 00:06:18,539 drained it was ripe white and his face 140 00:06:25,430 --> 00:06:22,139 was dirty and he had a red scarf here 141 00:06:27,890 --> 00:06:25,440 and his clothes were all dirty in his 142 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:27,900 trousers and then he told me his 143 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:30,720 trousers had been done Malcolm Drummond 144 00:06:35,210 --> 00:06:33,060 the boss would order a search of the 145 00:06:38,689 --> 00:06:35,220 area where the incident took place using 146 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:38,699 other forestry workers however there was 147 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:41,160 nothing on tour discovered that 148 00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:42,900 something had happened to Taylor though 149 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:45,960 was surely Beyond doubt with this in 150 00:06:50,570 --> 00:06:48,240 mind the Livingston Police were notified 151 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:50,580 of the attack and would shortly arrive 152 00:06:55,189 --> 00:06:53,400 at the Taylor home to investigate given 153 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:55,199 that Taylor had been physically attacked 154 00:06:59,689 --> 00:06:57,180 and he had these shredded clothes and 155 00:07:02,029 --> 00:06:59,699 marks to prove it the police would treat 156 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:02,039 the incident as a crime 157 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:04,319 they had Taylor take them back to the 158 00:07:08,090 --> 00:07:06,360 site of the encounter so that they could 159 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:08,100 see it for themselves 160 00:07:12,469 --> 00:07:10,860 headed by detective inspector Ian work 161 00:07:14,689 --> 00:07:12,479 that would discover strange 162 00:07:16,909 --> 00:07:14,699 ladder-shaped Impressions on the ground 163 00:07:18,469 --> 00:07:16,919 where Taylor claimed the incident had 164 00:07:20,689 --> 00:07:18,479 unfolded 165 00:07:23,089 --> 00:07:20,699 furthermore they also noted two 166 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:23,099 indentation rows right where Taylor 167 00:07:28,129 --> 00:07:25,800 claimed the two spiked objects had moved 168 00:07:30,290 --> 00:07:28,139 towards him on either side 169 00:07:32,689 --> 00:07:30,300 in this seemingly corroborated his 170 00:07:34,249 --> 00:07:32,699 version of events of being dragged 171 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:34,259 towards the object 172 00:07:38,809 --> 00:07:36,660 his torn trousers went off for 173 00:07:41,029 --> 00:07:38,819 scientific analysis 174 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:41,039 the conclusion being that the damage 175 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:42,599 appeared to be in line with a 176 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:45,060 machine-like object gripping and pulling 177 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:45,960 him 178 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:49,740 in short every indication so far was 179 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:51,860 that Taylor was telling the truth 180 00:07:56,749 --> 00:07:54,300 although they might not have necessarily 181 00:07:59,330 --> 00:07:56,759 believed Taylor was attacked by a 182 00:08:02,570 --> 00:07:59,340 vehicle from outer space the police were 183 00:08:04,249 --> 00:08:02,580 very much in belief that he was attacked 184 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:04,259 by something and a criminal 185 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:06,720 investigation was opened 186 00:08:11,629 --> 00:08:09,240 track marks of the machines and vehicles 187 00:08:14,330 --> 00:08:11,639 used by forestry workers in the area 188 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:14,340 were all examined in an attempt to 189 00:08:19,010 --> 00:08:16,080 locate a match to the markings in the 190 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:19,020 clearing where Taylor was attacked none 191 00:08:23,150 --> 00:08:21,120 of them matched 192 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:23,160 flight records of the airspace over 193 00:08:28,369 --> 00:08:26,099 Livingston were also examined no 194 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:28,379 helicopters or small airplanes were 195 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:30,720 overhead that day 196 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:32,520 the ground surround where they incident 197 00:08:37,190 --> 00:08:35,159 had taken place were even examined in 198 00:08:38,690 --> 00:08:37,200 the event that evidence of a crane that 199 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:38,700 might have lifted some kind of machine 200 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:41,940 into the clearing might be found no such 201 00:08:46,250 --> 00:08:43,919 evidence was uncovered 202 00:08:48,050 --> 00:08:46,260 and with the ground being soft from the 203 00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:48,060 rain these markings would have been 204 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:49,680 clear 205 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:51,660 ultimately although they could not 206 00:08:56,329 --> 00:08:53,760 explain the encounter the police were 207 00:08:59,210 --> 00:08:56,339 certain of Taylor's credibility 208 00:09:01,490 --> 00:08:59,220 inspector Lark stated that they had no 209 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:01,500 reason to doubt anything about what he 210 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:03,660 was telling them 211 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,100 perhaps because of the police 212 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:07,440 involvement public interest in the 213 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:10,080 encounter soared with local and National 214 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:13,200 media coverage as you can imagine with 215 00:09:17,630 --> 00:09:15,899 the intense interest many theories and 216 00:09:21,050 --> 00:09:17,640 suggestions as to what actually happened 217 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:21,060 that November morning also surfaced 218 00:09:25,550 --> 00:09:23,100 take out the possibility that Taylor 219 00:09:27,889 --> 00:09:25,560 witnessed a genuine extraterrestrial 220 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:27,899 vehicle of some kind what else might 221 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:30,959 explain this most bizarre event 222 00:09:35,449 --> 00:09:32,820 some would suggest that Taylor merely 223 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:35,459 suffered an intense illusion possibly 224 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:39,420 due to an epileptic fit however there is 225 00:09:44,269 --> 00:09:42,120 no evidence of such seizures in Taylor's 226 00:09:47,269 --> 00:09:44,279 medical history and even if something 227 00:09:49,009 --> 00:09:47,279 had triggered this one-off fit it's 228 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:49,019 highly unlikely that he would have 229 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:51,600 recovered sufficiently as quickly as he 230 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:54,180 did in order to walk home where the 231 00:09:58,190 --> 00:09:55,920 incident occurred 232 00:10:00,350 --> 00:09:58,200 there have also been suggestions that 233 00:10:02,810 --> 00:10:00,360 ball lightning might be responsible for 234 00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:02,820 the incident with Taylor perhaps coming 235 00:10:07,610 --> 00:10:05,279 too close and ultimately confused by 236 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:07,620 what he was seeing however this 237 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:11,760 explanation is hardly concrete not least 238 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:14,160 is Taylor specifically recalled seeing a 239 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:16,680 metallic machine-like craft as opposed 240 00:10:22,009 --> 00:10:19,140 to ball lightning which even then would 241 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,019 have been easy to identify 242 00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:24,240 there are others who wonder whether the 243 00:10:29,269 --> 00:10:26,279 machine witness that day was some kind 244 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:29,279 of top secret military vehicle if this 245 00:10:34,670 --> 00:10:31,260 was the case though where was it 246 00:10:36,949 --> 00:10:34,680 produced by who and whose was it 247 00:10:39,710 --> 00:10:36,959 what's the purpose of the attack on 248 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:39,720 Taylor Milly to allow this futuristic 249 00:10:44,030 --> 00:10:41,940 vehicle to escape 250 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:44,040 if this was the case however we might 251 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:46,440 expect that something very similar would 252 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:48,180 have entered the public domain in the 253 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:49,560 decades since 254 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:51,360 and it hasn't 255 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:53,880 of course there are some who believe the 256 00:11:00,290 --> 00:10:56,880 incident to be a very clever hoax 257 00:11:02,569 --> 00:11:00,300 one designed to attract UFO tourists to 258 00:11:03,710 --> 00:11:02,579 the area for the financial betterment of 259 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:03,720 the region 260 00:11:09,290 --> 00:11:06,360 however many point out that this notion 261 00:11:12,949 --> 00:11:09,300 is fanciful simply because the area was 262 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:12,959 largely industrial Urban Scotland and 263 00:11:18,050 --> 00:11:15,720 essentially not Loch Ness 264 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:18,060 besides business opportunities were 265 00:11:22,610 --> 00:11:19,800 already well on their way to becoming 266 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:22,620 Scotland's silicon Glen home to computer 267 00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:25,440 and Associated Industries 268 00:11:31,250 --> 00:11:28,380 one skeptic of the case Stuart Campbell 269 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:31,260 claimed in his book the UFO mystery 270 00:11:35,930 --> 00:11:33,720 solved that the markings discovered on 271 00:11:38,269 --> 00:11:35,940 the ground were likely from equipment 272 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:38,279 being used in the area by Water 273 00:11:43,009 --> 00:11:40,260 Authority workers 274 00:11:45,829 --> 00:11:43,019 however when he spoke to these workers 275 00:11:48,230 --> 00:11:45,839 who had indeed operated in the nearby 276 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:48,240 area they claimed that none of the 277 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:50,040 equipment had been stored in the region 278 00:11:55,850 --> 00:11:52,980 Taylor had its encounter in despite this 279 00:11:58,250 --> 00:11:55,860 Campbell persisted that he suspected 280 00:12:01,069 --> 00:11:58,260 they were not being truthful further 281 00:12:02,690 --> 00:12:01,079 suggesting further suggesting they might 282 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:02,700 have used the area to store gertman 283 00:12:07,310 --> 00:12:04,680 without permission 284 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:07,320 in short the encounter remains both 285 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:10,140 unexplained and difficult to dismiss 286 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:13,200 convincingly there is no doubt that the 287 00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:15,839 Livingston incident is one of the most 288 00:12:20,389 --> 00:12:18,180 intriguing and credible on record 289 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:20,399 whatever the truth of the sighting might 290 00:12:25,069 --> 00:12:22,740 one day prove to be 291 00:12:27,530 --> 00:12:25,079 something strange happened to the 61 292 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:27,540 year old Taylor that cold morning in the 293 00:12:33,769 --> 00:12:30,720 denchmont woods is surely Beyond doubt 294 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:33,779 Taylor Made next to nothing financially 295 00:12:38,389 --> 00:12:36,540 out of this incident and never tried to 296 00:12:40,910 --> 00:12:38,399 capitalize on his Fame 297 00:12:43,009 --> 00:12:40,920 he even became thoroughly fed up with 298 00:12:44,509 --> 00:12:43,019 the persistent interests people had in 299 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:44,519 the incident 300 00:12:50,329 --> 00:12:48,300 Robert Taylor passed away in 2007 but 301 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:50,339 there remains an interest in his story 302 00:12:54,370 --> 00:12:52,500 not least because of its apparent 303 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:54,380 authenticity 304 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:57,000 Taylor would not alter his version of 305 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:01,200 events at any point after the incident 306 00:13:07,610 --> 00:13:03,660 and the denchmont woods close encounter 307 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,620 remains a staple both in UFO history and 308 00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:09,600 in all of Scotland 309 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:12,720 well I'm pretty certain that that day